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Anonymous said,
on November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I don’t recall ever seeing the city carriers so frustrated. A few actually like working under these conditions, but the majority seem down about it and count the days to retirement. It’s hard on the body and soul, no matter what craft City or Rural.
Anonymous said,
on November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
absolutely, both crafts are frustrated, seems like all the powers that be care about are their own paychecks, and their own retirement.
William Faulkner said,
on September 7th, 2005 at 6:26 pm
I love the evaluated system. You know exactly what you are worth, how much it pays, a choice of H, J, or K when applicable, and a reduction of work if you are overburdened. Everyone gets paid the same for the same work. If someone is able to figure out a more efficient way of doing his/her work it is to their advantage. Where else could I work less than 40 hours per week and be paid for 46, of which 6 is at overtime rates? And take a week vacation or sick leave and still be paid the 46 hours with the overtime? Not to mention “Free” Saturdays (which has nothing to do with the evaluated system, but they are nice). I have heard many City Carriers wish they were on evaluated time like we are.
Administrator said,
on September 8th, 2005 at 5:12 am
William,
You are becoming one of the fewer and fewer that can do that. We still have some sweetheart routes, the longer mileage routes that get the 12 minutes per mile therefore need less boxes say 350 to 400 boxes to make a livable wage. Yes there are days for all of us where we can make under evaluation.
If you are in one of the larger populated areas, your route will be smaller, therefor less of those 12 minutes per mile miles and more catalogs, parcels and special class mailings needed to make a livable wage.
mck88 said,
on September 18th, 2005 at 12:38 pm
unfortunately the evaluated system is dying with the postal services insistence that there be no undertime.
Mgt is quick to say that the USPS will never do away with it but the carriers/an arbitrator may make that decision for them with the next contract.
Sad for all I believe.
It was good for the first 18 yrs but the last 3 have been he!!
Administrator said,
on September 22nd, 2005 at 11:52 am
Some interesting financial information about us:
Work Hours:
Pay For Hours:
Ave. Per Hour:
City Delivery:
432,451
$15,384,300
$35.58
Mail Processing:
308,892
10,557,700
$34.18
Customer Services:
214,796
7,404,300
$34.47
Rural Delivery:
164,474
4,699,400
$28.57
Customer Services and Sales:
12,418
472,600
$38.06
Administration
62,260
2,319,800
$37.26
MFEMFEM MFEMFEMF said,
on September 25th, 2005 at 3:40 pm
If that chart is correct, and I have no reason to question it, why would the USPS want to change a system that is saving them 6 to 9 dollars per hour of work?
Administrator said,
on September 25th, 2005 at 4:37 pm
They can save even more than that by paring down their personnel system, using one system to govern all carriers, using their rural staff on swings after completing their routes, which they are frustrated now by their inability to use Regular Rural carriers, getting more accomplished in any given day without managers having to deliver express or swings, saving space by having a single system on 2 pieces of equipment making room for more city style routes, maximizing their space needs and forcing delivery straight to the street. They can maximize their carrier force this way and save that $6.00 per hour. They can save a bundle on the overtime they pay rural carriers who have their overtime figured into their retirement where the city overtime is not. The city carriers are free to invest that ovetime money in IRA’s and other investment vehicles, but their overtime pay is not part of the retirement formula like the rural crafts.
txranger101 said,
on February 23rd, 2007 at 5:43 pm
Well, think about this. We just got notified that there will be no more rural routes in our city. All new construction, not currently on an existing route, will be bid on as HCR’s. That, my friends, means minimum wage people carrying the mail. I know of two offices in our areas with HCR’s and they are averaging $9.00 an hour. This is a coming trend as the postal service wants to eliminate as many as 16,000 aux and regular routes.
That $9.00/hour is offset by the USPS lackluster history of paying them on time, (especially around Christmas.) Also, they are paying our local HCR’s way under the current rate for gas and expenses. So if you offset that against their supposed $9.00/hour they are really making closer to $7.00/hour. They are also paid a small uniform allowance, which will never cover the cost of uniforms. If they require them to pay for shoes that only one distributor supplies, as a result of safety, they will be paying over $100.00/pair for shoes as the City Carrier now does. IF they have an accident and aren’t wearing those shoes they are subject to discipline.
MrPostman said,
on October 27th, 2007 at 7:16 am
Evaluated Routes are the way to go. I can beat the evaluation everyday and go home. Now that is a great benefit & I get left alone like the rural carriers. Simply come in, do my job, and go home early. For the Postal Service it gives them consistency of cost everyday. My only wish is that they would let us have big routes if we wanted & small routes if I want to go home on time every day. I feel comfortable that I can beat their evalution at my age now. When I get over 50 it might be a different story, but it still seems pretty fair.
The whole system would work if people left it alone as is. There seems to be an inordinate amount of dead weight in the system in the way of cuty-pie hire-ees who liven up the atmosphere of the office with their looks for the express cheer of the management. When those employees are under the gun because of higher wages going to productive employees that angers management and friends of management and all hell breaks loose and management goes after every penny they can to try of offset the budget required to keep the cutie-pies. I wonder if this is a symptom of what happened to Rome just before it fell??? Ya Think.
on November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I don’t recall ever seeing the city carriers so frustrated. A few actually like working under these conditions, but the majority seem down about it and count the days to retirement. It’s hard on the body and soul, no matter what craft City or Rural.
on November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
absolutely, both crafts are frustrated, seems like all the powers that be care about are their own paychecks, and their own retirement.
on September 7th, 2005 at 6:26 pm
I love the evaluated system. You know exactly what you are worth, how much it pays, a choice of H, J, or K when applicable, and a reduction of work if you are overburdened. Everyone gets paid the same for the same work. If someone is able to figure out a more efficient way of doing his/her work it is to their advantage. Where else could I work less than 40 hours per week and be paid for 46, of which 6 is at overtime rates? And take a week vacation or sick leave and still be paid the 46 hours with the overtime? Not to mention “Free” Saturdays (which has nothing to do with the evaluated system, but they are nice). I have heard many City Carriers wish they were on evaluated time like we are.
on September 8th, 2005 at 5:12 am
William,
You are becoming one of the fewer and fewer that can do that. We still have some sweetheart routes, the longer mileage routes that get the 12 minutes per mile therefore need less boxes say 350 to 400 boxes to make a livable wage. Yes there are days for all of us where we can make under evaluation.
If you are in one of the larger populated areas, your route will be smaller, therefor less of those 12 minutes per mile miles and more catalogs, parcels and special class mailings needed to make a livable wage.
on September 18th, 2005 at 12:38 pm
unfortunately the evaluated system is dying with the postal services insistence that there be no undertime.
Mgt is quick to say that the USPS will never do away with it but the carriers/an arbitrator may make that decision for them with the next contract.
Sad for all I believe.
It was good for the first 18 yrs but the last 3 have been he!!
on September 22nd, 2005 at 11:52 am
Some interesting financial information about us:
Work Hours:
Pay For Hours:
Ave. Per Hour:
on September 25th, 2005 at 3:40 pm
If that chart is correct, and I have no reason to question it, why would the USPS want to change a system that is saving them 6 to 9 dollars per hour of work?
on September 25th, 2005 at 4:37 pm
They can save even more than that by paring down their personnel system, using one system to govern all carriers, using their rural staff on swings after completing their routes, which they are frustrated now by their inability to use Regular Rural carriers, getting more accomplished in any given day without managers having to deliver express or swings, saving space by having a single system on 2 pieces of equipment making room for more city style routes, maximizing their space needs and forcing delivery straight to the street. They can maximize their carrier force this way and save that $6.00 per hour. They can save a bundle on the overtime they pay rural carriers who have their overtime figured into their retirement where the city overtime is not. The city carriers are free to invest that ovetime money in IRA’s and other investment vehicles, but their overtime pay is not part of the retirement formula like the rural crafts.
on February 23rd, 2007 at 5:43 pm
Well, think about this. We just got notified that there will be no more rural routes in our city. All new construction, not currently on an existing route, will be bid on as HCR’s. That, my friends, means minimum wage people carrying the mail. I know of two offices in our areas with HCR’s and they are averaging $9.00 an hour. This is a coming trend as the postal service wants to eliminate as many as 16,000 aux and regular routes.
on July 4th, 2007 at 10:19 am
That $9.00/hour is offset by the USPS lackluster history of paying them on time, (especially around Christmas.) Also, they are paying our local HCR’s way under the current rate for gas and expenses. So if you offset that against their supposed $9.00/hour they are really making closer to $7.00/hour. They are also paid a small uniform allowance, which will never cover the cost of uniforms. If they require them to pay for shoes that only one distributor supplies, as a result of safety, they will be paying over $100.00/pair for shoes as the City Carrier now does. IF they have an accident and aren’t wearing those shoes they are subject to discipline.
on October 27th, 2007 at 7:16 am
Evaluated Routes are the way to go. I can beat the evaluation everyday and go home. Now that is a great benefit & I get left alone like the rural carriers. Simply come in, do my job, and go home early. For the Postal Service it gives them consistency of cost everyday. My only wish is that they would let us have big routes if we wanted & small routes if I want to go home on time every day. I feel comfortable that I can beat their evalution at my age now. When I get over 50 it might be a different story, but it still seems pretty fair.
on March 23rd, 2008 at 2:51 pm
The whole system would work if people left it alone as is. There seems to be an inordinate amount of dead weight in the system in the way of cuty-pie hire-ees who liven up the atmosphere of the office with their looks for the express cheer of the management. When those employees are under the gun because of higher wages going to productive employees that angers management and friends of management and all hell breaks loose and management goes after every penny they can to try of offset the budget required to keep the cutie-pies. I wonder if this is a symptom of what happened to Rome just before it fell??? Ya Think.